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HEY--I hope your new year is great--cheers--joe
VERY GOOD ADVISE ON MONEY % I WILL KEEP THAT IN MY HEAD TO REMEMBER THANK'S T-BONE
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MY MUSIC REVIEWS OF OTHER ARTIST MUSIC WILL SOON PICK UP , I HAD SOME FAMILY ILLNESS DO DEAL WITH ............. THANK YOU ALL
THANK YOU EVERYONE ON MY TOPIC OF THE MONEY PERCENTAGE TO A PUBLISHER,I DO HAVE THE BOOK CONFESSIONS OF A RECORD PRODUCER I WILL REVIEW THAT BOOK AGAIN I BOUGHT THAT BOOK YEAR'S AGO, BUT I WILL STUDY IT KNOW MORE IN DEPTH I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO COMMENTED,NOT TO BE A BUTT HOLE BUT THANK YOU GOD BLESS ALL BROADJAM FAMILY MEMBER'S
why is a publisher getting 50% of any writer's creative work ,ok 15% is cool but 50% give me a break that's what the group the silver's were giving up, the manager 50%,all nine of the siver's 50% do the math no freakin way.i know my material is being pitched but for 50% ! whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
Think about this for a second.
You get 100% of the master.
You also get 100% of the composing royalty.
All the publisher wants in exchange for placing your work into the hands of someone willing to pay you for it is 50% of the publishing royalty. Which... Since they are a publisher... Kind of makes sense.
You should look into a book called "Confessions of a record producer." Read it... learn about some of the crazy stuff thats happened in the past... and then come back with the same opinion.
50% is actually pretty reasonable.
The important lesson to take from this is how the music industry has two sides... Theres the music, which is us, and then theres a business side that requires armies of movers, shakers, lawyers, and a crap load of other people that don't do what we do... But are crucial to making the whole system work.
Chances are... A lot of them went to college for it too. Which again... Implies their contributions are worth something in the grand scheme of things.
That or you can just look at it this way...
100% of nothing is what?
Another thing you can do is register your work as the publisher and as the composer with ASCAP BMI, or whoever...and collect the publisher royalties....
You actually have 100% of your publishing the second you create it... You don't loose those rights until you sign them away.
I'd consider hiring a legal advisor to help you get a better idea as to how things work and what to look for in deals you may get presented with while shopping your work.
Usually when a publisher picks up your track they register your song as a completely new song, so what Benjamin is talking about would be best served while placing music with film makers and television shows directly...
One thing I've seen a lot of though is unless you're really good at what you do, most publishers don't like to do more than just the composer and themselves in deals... Often they'll pass on your work when there is an equally suitable song right next to it with less mouths to feed you know?
I have a crap load of work tied up with another publisher exclusively and now no one will touch it... So it falls 100% on that publisher to get the material placed or a lot of my work will likely collect dust (the work in question at least.)
I'm actually in the process of rebuilding a library over all that.
Talk to a music legal rep... They'll likely really help you understand the process much better. To be honest I'm not even clear on everything and am still learning new things every day.
Yesterday's truths are today's misconceptions you know?
if you are broke and let's say you make a few million dollars off of a hit song of yours,then for a long time your notoriety and money will be big--i could live off of 10 percent of a few million dollars,it's more than the average smuck will ever make in a lifetime--start small--be nice--go big and stay small and nice--just my thoughts at the moment--cheers--joe---i could be totally off base here and wrong--
the label deals I have seen have been 75/25 (75% going to the label) So 50/50 is not bad.
50% is good as long as its non-exclusive & you retain 100% of copyrights. That way you'll have freedom to submit to other opportunities and they won't get a cut of that. Also the business relationships you'll developed along the way will be priceless. Like N jones said, 100% of nothing is nothing.
Confessions of a record producer.
All of you... Its a must read. Just do it and you can thank me for turning you on to it later. Seriously.
Isn't your entire music career worth a stupid read? When was the last time you read up on music business, better yet, read up on ANYTHING? Any of you?
This is one book you don't want to take a pass on. And just ask my partner... I hate reading, but this book is like a bible... and even somewhat witty:) So you won't be bored off your ass in the process either. Just properly informed.
It'll change the way you do business and fact is... People count on you not being informed. THEY COUNT ON IT.
Don't be another bitch in a long line of them. I was one of those bitches at one point and the thought of any of you loosing as much as I have simply makes me sick to my stomach.
Very good advise! I'm going to take a look at it for sure. Thanks!
hey n.jones--thanks for the tip--i'll check it out--thank you--joe.
Good thread! Historically publishers have always gotten 50%. I think this goes back to Tin Pan Alley days. In those days songwriters were really abused. Performance royalties have gone up over the years but that number seems to stay the same. If you sign with a "real" publisher who actually shops your songs to artists, TV, movies etc. and makes you money no problem - I don't have those connections. And there's no guarantee that they will make any money on working the song - and that comes out of their pocket. In the past when I have had songs published I always asked for a 1 year out clause - if they don't publish it within 1 year the song reverts back to you.
Hi Al, the publishers that have approached me wanted 50% publishing & 50% copyrights for perpetuity! I turned down deals because of this. The majority have been fair though.
Dont ever give up your copyrights... EVER EVER EVER. Not a single percentage!!!
Roger that! I copy!
I agree. that's what I've always been told. Publishing is theirs to fight over and negotiate with, but the writers IS the writers!
It's been about 5 years since I've done anything on Broadjam, every comment that was posted was true it is what it is, thanks you everyone for the advise and encouragement.
thank's poncho, i've been really busy ,out of town also god bless
I love your tracks. They have that positive vibe which makes you just want to do things!
thank's a lot for the review my man god bless , i will keep up with your music also......