6-Pack Leaderboard

Hello Broadjam,

The leaderboard for the 2007 6-Pack launched a couple weeks ago and since then we have seen a lot of different names up there—some veterans of the 6-Pack and some new faces as well. Earlier last week, we launched the rankings for our second challenge, Location, Location, Location. Once again, the leaders have changed and the race is starting to heat up. Remember, the leaderboard is updated several times daily and your reviews are extremely important in determining the outcome. Also, you can win each individual challenge that you enter, but it is the Broadjam member with the most points in all challenges that will take home the overall grand prize.

So, how has the 6-Pack been going for you so far? Is there any artist you have heard (besides yourself) that you really like? Which one of the prizes do you have your eye on? Let us know what you think of the 6-Pack so far and feel free to participate in this blog at your leisure.

Thanks for making this year’s 6-Pack an exciting one from the start and best of luck to all!

-Roy

Posted by Broadjam on Jul 30, 2007 in Broadjam Blog

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  • Disassambling Deborah's comment is:

    To Kimmany & all,
    I NEVER dreamed or even thought that you COULD enter a song twice (nor would I want to) until I thought I heard my song being described in a comment. I’ve only been on this site for a week or so & I do admit I’m not computer savvy – it took me 10X to get a song downloaded correctly – now after about 9 songs I’m getting the hang of it. All I know is that as I was getting songs up & was entering them in contests. When you’re a new-comer it can be quite overwhelming. My delivery would say it went through but as I put a new one in the contest it would only say that 1 was delivered & in some that none were delivered. Now these contests are still open so it’s not like it’s out of reveiw or anything. I had trouble with some cards & was using different ones so I believed that it just wasn’t going through – therefore in 2 days I added the same songs multiple times NOT knowing it was going through. Even now – when I go to 6PK only1 song will show up as being delivered. Thank God I read the comments or I probably would have done it again! There DOES seem to be a technical issue as the ones that say they are delivered would NOT let you add them again – (I don’t think so anyway although I never tried those). I did contact Bradjam & begged for any multiples to be taken off & even agreed to disqualify myself. I was told that many people had done it & talking to some new-comer friends it has happened to them too! NOW, my question is this – WHY would anyone WANT to spend the extra money & time to enter more than once? I don’t even understand that. Also, I have done many reviews & heard a rap song, a piano piece, a country & so on multiple times & I just figured that the songs were being mixed with others as their scores were changing – & I’m not so sure that doesn’t happen! Anyway – I will be VERY careful NOT to make the same mistake – only 1 week in & I’m already in Touble!!!!! I’m glad it was talked about or I would not have understood the mistake. But please have mercy on the newcomers – both to this site & to computer tech! I have so much enjoyed ALL of the great, creative music – & such variety. This is a great site!!! I know everyone is competitve, as human nature is – but please don’t jump to conclusions about each other without knowing some facts. There’s a lot of great musicians here so lets unite to help solve the problems. I do think that in future contests it would truly be helpful if the techs would not allow multiple submissions for the same challenge as I originally believed it to be. I’m sorry for the confusion – but not only did I want to explain my predicament – I believe that MANY others have done the same thing not meaning to.
    Thanks DT

    Sep 1, 2007/12:48 pm
  • bruceniemchick's comment is:

    Kimmany:

    Before you make a judgment on “it’s about money not talent,” I strongly encourage you to make that call when the contest is all over. In the last 3 years of this contest in most cases at the end, the top 20 was quite impressive. This contest has imperfections, and I don’t always agree at the total outcome but we who have entered it have agreed to follow the rules. People such as yourself who have a good, diverse fan base often do well.

    As far as capitalism goes, I am glad that we are – otherwise we would not enjoy the freedom of making money on what we love to do. Is this a great country or what!

    Bruce

    Sep 1, 2007/11:04 am
  • kimmany1999's comment is:

    True,

    I don’t think you’re being naive, you hit the nail right on the head. I personally didn’t sign up for this, or thought you could even enter the same song twice. But in the vain of true Capitalism, how can it be any other way? I never dreamed of entering my song more than once…thought I would get an error message or something…lolol. Bottom line….it’s about money, not talent….lolololol

    Sep 1, 2007/10:26 am
  • truewordweaver's comment is:

    I have to agree with kimmany – though I’d say ‘worst’ instead of ‘best’. To say that multiple submissions of the same song in one category ‘isn’t a bad strategy’ is basically to condone what is, in effect, a type of cheating if this is supposed to be a contest judged on the merits of songwriting. If it isn’t, then it amounts to little more than a competition of ‘spread betting’, which I don’t think is what the majority of contestants thought they were signing up to…?

    Or am I just being hopelessly naive?

    Sep 1, 2007/3:40 am
  • kimmany1999's comment is:

    …wait a minute, that isn’t fair. It sounds like those who pay the most money to get their song in ‘heavy voting’ rotation, have a better chance at winning! It’s not about having a great song, its about who pays the most money. Wow, this sounds like mainstream radio. This is Capitalism at its best….lolololol

    Aug 31, 2007/9:56 pm
  • Elk's comment is:

    Simon,

    Thanks for the notes and the questions.

    -Displaying the Leaderboard scores for each song on the artist’s profile pages is a great idea. We have discussed similar thoughts internally and simply haven’t made a decision yet. We will consider doing it in the future.

    -I can’t speak for any other contest or website, but all songs that are entered into the Broadjam 6-Pack go into the peer review system. As long as you see the song listed on your My Deliveries page, next to the 6-Pack Destination name, and you haven’t deleted the song from your Broadjam account, it is entered into the contest. Maybe your previous comment about displaying the review scores would help.

    -If you listen to the song once and you don’t leave the page, you can listen to any amount of the song for the second time, or as many times as you want. But initially you have to listen to at least 60 seconds of each song for your review to count. If you cancel a song review, and don’t submit your vote for the songs, you will have the opportunity of getting those songs again for review, but they probably won’t be in the same group of three.

    -I understand it could be difficult to compare an instrumental to a song with vocals. We really don’t have a way around this one. From a technical perspective, we certainly could restrict certain types of songs from entering specific contests, but it wouldn’t be fair to the authors of the songs. Instrumentals compete daily on the charts, in film/TV and in advertising, so I’m not sure this is the solution. With that said, we will seriously consider the suggestion and see if there might be another possibility that we aren’t considering at the moment.

    Jim,

    I have looked at the submissions this morning and found several writers who have submitted the same song more than once to the same 6-Pack challenge. As I mentioned in an earlier post, those songs will get reviewed individually and the scoring is based on a per submission basis. On occasion a writer will submit their best song twice hoping to get more total points. It’s not a bad strategy if the songs never face each other in the “good, better, best” system.

    I hope this helps. Thanks again for your thoughts and suggestions.

    Roy

    Aug 30, 2007/6:37 pm
  • bruceniemchick's comment is:

    Bobby:

    Cute little ditty. The line “It changes every day” is an understatement this year it seems. I am sure a lot of artists feel like they’ve been on a roller coaster wondering where the next curve or hill is!

    Bruce

    Aug 30, 2007/2:21 pm
  • rp music's comment is:

    Hey ELK,

    Huh?….Wha?
    You must have studied logarythmns(?)because that’s what powers Broadjam’s computer, which is what is driving the scoring in this contest!
    Rich

    Aug 30, 2007/1:39 pm
  • Bobby Caputo's comment is:

    oops…that didn’t work…

    never mind.

    Aug 30, 2007/9:11 am
  • Bobby Caputo's comment is:

    Jim Ferrie's comment is:

    Sorry about this wee rant of mine, but it seems to be topical and so, I have to say this. I’ve just been doing reviews on the ‘Event’ element of the contest, about 7 or 8 groups of 3 songs. I heard the same song a) three times, once each in the first few groupings then, b) twice in the same group of 3 on the last grouping! I now even know the song title and who the artist is (using the search facilty is easy).

    Now, the artist, for reasons best known to herself – maybe publicity, I don’t know – may well have entered the same song in the same element of the contest repeatedly, but I was left with a choice in the latter case of listening to two songs and voting for 3. Obviously an ill-conceived ploy, this wont do the artist any good as the best she could acheive in this review trio is a better and a best for the same song, but it’s ludicrous to have to vote on something like this. I could have cancelled, but what about the one other song? Doesn’t that merit a vote? In this case, I voted the other song ‘best’. This kind of thing just annoys and is a time-waster. Really, I think there ought to be a limit on the number of times you can enter the same song into any given element of the contest. If a song is going to be good enough to win, it only has to be entered once. Apologies for being Dr. Grumpy.

    Aug 30, 2007/2:26 am
  • Elk's comment is:

    Thanks for all the comments and input. I would like to address the scoring process and some of the rules for the 6 Pack contest.

    Songs are rated through blind listening with a “good, better, best” peer review. The song will receive 3 points for a “best” rating, 2 points for a “better” rating and 1 point for a “good” rating. So if Song “A” is rated “better” by one reviewer and “best” by another, its point average is 2.5. If Song “B” is rated by two different reviewers as “best”, then its average rating is 3.0 therefore placing Song “B” ahead of Song “A” in the standings.

    Let’s say Song “B” with a rating of 3.0 is first in the standings and Song “A” is second with a rating of 2.5. In the next round of reviews Song “A” gets a “best” rating for 3 points and Song “B” gets a “good” rating for 1 point. Now Song “A” has a total of 8 points for a 2.67 rating and Song “B” has a total of 7 points for an average of 2.33. Therefore moving Song “A” ahead of “B” in the standings.

    Once the songs are ordered by their scores determined in the “good, better, best” system, the ranking points are assigned. Song “A” is now in first and receives 100 points, plus 1 for entering and Song “B” is in second and receives 95 points plus 1 for entering. Third place Song “C” has 90 points plus 1 for a total of 91. The Top 20 songs receive bonus points, in increments of 5 depending on their ranking (first place gets 100 bonus points, second place gets 95 bonus points, third place gets 90 bonus points, … , and twentieth place receives 5 bonus points).

    Consider this scenario, if a writer enters four songs into one of the 6 Pack challenges. When the Leaderboard is recalculated, one of their songs is in first place it gets 101 points, another song in fourth place gets 86 points and the other two songs haven’t placed in the Top 20 receive 2 points (1 point per song just for entering). This writer’s total is 189 points. But keep in mind the next time the Leaderboard is recalculated, more reviews, and possibly more songs have been added to the contest, which will change the overall point totals for all entries. The Leaderboard is recalculated several times a day.

    Here are some reviewing rules: Each reviewer can only hear each song once during the competition, so reviewers cannot review the same song twice. If you hear a song twice it is because the artist has entered the song more than once into the contest. An artist can enter the same song into the contest more than once, but the points for the song will not be added together to affect the song’s overall standing. Every entry to the contest is treated as a unique submission. All songs are reviewed the same number or approximately the same number of times. At the end of the contest Song “A” may have 100 reviews and Song “B” might have 101. But the overall number is very close and usually within one or two for all of the other songs.

    So as Jim Ferrie says, you may be atop the Leaderboard one day and wiped off the next. You probably had a “best” rating on your first review and a lower rating on your second. Over time, the rating for a particular song will stabilize because of the number of song reviews that have been completed. That doesn’t mean that your song’s rating won’t change, it just means that it won’t change as dramatically as it did when you first entered. Your overall rating may change more dramatically because it’s also dependent on the rating of the other artists’ songs as well. We allow entries up to one week before the contest closes and encourage lots of reviews during final reviewing week.

    Again, thanks for all the great feedback and thoughts. Please keep them coming.

    Roy

    Aug 29, 2007/8:08 pm
  • Toby Tune's comment is:

    And it is a new line up this year from the past. But my problem is that i write instrumentals. Some people call it “music”. And I feel pretty left out of the competition this year. I think the 6 pack should be called “Poet’s Corner’.

    Aug 29, 2007/6:33 pm
  • truewordweaver's comment is:

    This one’s for the Broadjam folk in charge. I’m enjoying the reviewing process, but I have definitely had at least one song thrown at me for review three times in the ‘Move Us’ category, and twice in the ‘Event’ (it’s the same song, actually) – I even know some of the lyrics by now because of that, as well as the jazz-like intro. Thought this wasn’t supposed to happen? And who do I need to tell? I can identify the piece, but obviously don’t want to do that here…

    Many thanks otherwise for a very interesting contest!

    All the best,
    Jamie

    PS: Thanks for your kind words, Simon! You’ve got some lovely touches in ‘Breath of New York,’ by the way…

    Aug 29, 2007/7:14 am
  • Hank Thomas's comment is:

    Hey Everybody, Hank Thomas here,
    I’d just like to say that the main thing I hear everyone saying is that we are reviewing SONGS. At least that is my take on this process. Nice productions may be easier to listen to, but the song itself is what we are ALL after (I’m with ya there, Jamie and Simon). It’s good to see such heated competition so early in the contest but, like Bobby Caputo says, it’s a little early to get too worked up. I’ve been in and out of a few rankings already and while I feel that all my entries are winners (don’t we all), sometimes they just don’t stack up to the other two in the same review. As far as the scoring goes, it seems to me that if after, say 3 reviews, a song might not be up against very good competition, and gets a lot of points. But 3 or 4 tough ‘pairings’ later, it gets some wind knocked out of it, maybe disappears entirely only to score well again in later reviews and come back into the rankings. Also, I agree with Bruce Niemchick on the high scores that Scott James had, especially early on: We gave him those scores, or rather, his songs earned them, he’s got some darned good stuff! Buckle up, the last two categories are gonna open up, and scores will change faster than 427 Corvette! Thanks for listening, Hank
    And HEY BROADJAM–Thanks foe the review buttons right at the top of the categories!!!

    Aug 29, 2007/1:55 am
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